I will confess to feeling slightly disappointed with Wikipedia today. We have one very good editor, who has done massive and detailed work over the years on various philosophy and history pages. Recently he has also been tackling pseudo-science pages such as that on NLP. He is also passionate about removing free propaganda for pederasts. He is a volatile, passionate and highly intelligent character, just the sort of person WIkipedia needs. However he has managed to offend a member of Arbcom (the masters of the universe in Wikipedia). Now the nature of the offense is minor compared with the sort of thing that editors dish out daily without punishment. However if you hit the inner circle (I almost said cabal then), you are treated differently. The editor has had several bans, reversed several times with protests by other editors and admins. However a couple of days ago Wales himself entered the fray and banned him, with a brutal notice. The ban is so total its difficult to track down the history unless you know your way around. Now this is near despotism, and disturbing. I doubt this time right will win out, and my previous optimism in this respect may prove to be misplaced.
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Yeah, that is a tough one.
I don't know my way around, but I would have thought that the right to defend yourself (let alone freedom of speech) should be built into the system. Americans are so eager to cite their Constitution back at you when it comes to defending their actions in the global community, even though it is itself full of contradictions. Contradictions are fine - the world is full of them - just don't moralise to me without seeing your own flaws (I think some other guy put this better than me, a long time ago, when he talked about casting the first stone...) As we regularly note - a pity that these people do not get irony.
Posted by Paul Tudor
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September 9, 2008 2:03 AM
Posted on September 9, 2008 02:03
Sounds like the case of the little boy who said "the emporer is wearing no clothes" - why is that that the naysayer is shot before there is a decent debate - even then they have a right to have a say. I am currently looking at a project which involves the culture of a country and whether you can criticise your masters and what the consequences might be - the Brits and the Australians get to be far more judgemental that the Americans 8-)
Posted by Nerida Hart | September 9, 2008 3:45 AM
Posted on September 9, 2008 03:45
It's kind of hard to judge this based on the information on hand. Typically, I lop all Wikipedia admin into their political cabalhoods that vary from day to day. Maybe Bishzilla was in the wrong cabalhood at the wrong time?
Just another reason why I gave up on Wikipedia as a place to add to the ether.
Posted by Taran Rampersad | September 9, 2008 4:26 AM
Posted on September 9, 2008 04:26
Sad. I used to hope that in wikipedia we finally had the ultimate democratic knowledge pool. But it seems that someone owns it, after all. While I concede that Wales owns the site, surely the information it contains is owned by the people? I'm really struggling with this one.
I was debating it with my family the other day. It was three against one. They all declared the need for 'someone' to be in charge, while I felt that wikipedia had a large enough community to be self-policing.
Okay I'm an idealist. So sue me. Someone has to be!
Posted by Karyn Romeis | September 9, 2008 10:25 AM
Posted on September 9, 2008 10:25
I must say I find the message "Banned by Jimbo Wales" quite brutal too.
I wonder if you've thought of contacting Jimbo Wales direct or using Twitter to get a good one-degree-of-separation route into him?
Posted by Johnnie Moore | September 9, 2008 11:01 AM
Posted on September 9, 2008 11:01
Who will start a page to have Jimbo banned?
Posted by Harold van Garderen | September 9, 2008 8:42 PM
Posted on September 9, 2008 20:42
I think Wikipedia, while exemplifying many principles which will be common sense in the future, has still one large liability: Its centralized.
In this, the version management system they use looks much like CVS/subversion. Ideally, Wikipedia should be put in a system like GIT: distributed version management. There could be a plurality of slightly different "Wikipedia's", with some only explicitly excluding contributions by some people (e.g. one or more of those centrally "banned" right now, or others who in the end weren't banned) but others possibly excluding whole sections or all contributions from "alternative" world views. Even Conservapedia could "pull" (a term from GIT) directly from the "official" Wikipedia.
This would also remove the problem of the requirement for the NPOV (Neutral point of view). In my opinion, there is no neutral point of view. And even if they were, it seems like people do really good when they are strongly opinionated (e.g. politicians, entrepreneurs). It may be that trying to be "neutral" hurts the "usability" of your knowledge base. It may be that for effectiveness, a simplified world view might be better except for the most extreme cases.
For example (to take a really extreme stand point), its not really necessary to believe in evolution to be a well-functioning member of society. People can do really good while believing in the literal interpretation of Genesis. In practice, this belief in orthogonal to many aspects of life. I wouldn't mind if some people in the world would learn from a "cherry-picked" version of Wikipedia. I don't think those wouldn't make the best biologists or evolutionary psychologists though.
GIT as a software package wouldn't be prepared for the use case I'm describing here. I mainly use it as a reference point.
In practice, we still can expect Jimmy Wales' "repository" to be really important, just like Linus Torvalds still has the last call on the "true" Linux kernel.
For more info on GIT, see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Git_(software)
Posted by Meryn Stol | September 10, 2008 4:48 PM
Posted on September 10, 2008 16:48
I would like to add "tolerance of administrator plagiarism" to the list of Jimmy Wales' failings at the helm of Wikipedia:
http://www.mywikibiz.com/Criticism_of_Jimmy_Wales
Posted by Gregory Kohs | December 5, 2008 2:35 PM
Posted on December 5, 2008 14:35